        
Document
THE
UNRELEASED INTERVIEW
WITH USAMAH BIN LADEN
21st October 2001
Part
4
Tayseer
Allouni: What is your opinion about what is being
said concerning your examples and the "clash of
civilizations" ? Your constant use and repetition
of the word "Crusade" and "Crusader"
shows that you... uphold that saying, the "clash
of civilizations..."
Usamah
bin Laden:
I say that there is no doubt in this. This is a very clear
matter, proven in the Book and the Sunnah, and any true
believer [mu'min] who claims to be faithful shouldn't belie
[yukathib] these truths, no matter what so and so
says about it [qaala biha `amr am lam yaqul bihaa].
What goes for us [al-mu`tabar `induna] is whatever
is found in the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet
(sallallahu `alayhi wasallam). But, the Jews and
America have come up with a fairytale that they count to
the Muslims, and they've been unfortunately followed by
the local rulers (of the Muslims) and a lot of people who
are close to them, by using "world peace" as an
excuse. That is a fairytale [khuraafah, meaning, a fictional
matter] which has no basis whatsoever!
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UBL:
The peace that they push on Muslims is to ready and prepare
them to get slaughtered, and the slaughter still goes on.
So if we try to defend ourselves, they call us "terrorists,"
and the slaughter still goes on. So it is said that the
Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said in truth
[sahha]: "The Hour will not come until the Muslims
fight the Jews and kill them. When a Jew hides behind a
rock or a tree, it will say: 'O Muslim, O Servant of Allah!
There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' All the trees
will do this except the box-thorn (al-Gharqad), because
it is the tree of the Jews." [narrated by al-Bukhaari
(3593), Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Maajah]
And whoever claims that there is permanent peace between
us and the Jews, then he has disbelieved [kafarah]
from what has been sent down on Muhammad (sallallahu
`alayhi wasallam), and the battle is between us and
the enemies of Islam, and that will go on until the Hour,
and the so-called "Peace" or "Peace award"
(Nobel Peace Prize), that is a fairytale that is given to
the biggest blood-shedders [safaaheen]. That man
(Ronald) Reagan, the perpetrator of the Der Yassin massacre,
was awarded the Peace Prize. That traitor Anwar al-Sadat,
the one that sold the land and the (Palestinian) issue and
the blood of the martyrs, was awarded the Peace Prize.
So
we are in a time, like is said in truth by our Prophet in
this hadeeth saheeh: "There will come
upon the people years of deceit in which the liar will be
believed, the truthful disbelieved, the treacherous will
be trusted and the trustworthy held to be treacherous, and
the despicable (ar-Ruwaybidah) will speak out. It
was said: 'Who are the despicable ones (ar-Ruwaybidah)?'
He said: 'The lowly, ignoble man who speaks out about the
public affairs.'" [narrated by Ahmad (7899), Ibn
Maajah (4036) and others; this chain of narration is weak,
however it has another chain of narration reported by Ahmad
(8440) and it has a witnessing narration reported by Ahmad
also (3/220), so the hadeeth is supported to the level of
hasan]
And
unfortunately, that is ruling on the Islamic world today,
with its big leaders, and its famous rulers, so it is a
trick, they trick people and lie to them, but, with the
permission of Allah, the liberation and release of Allah
is close [faraju allahi qareeb], and the promised
victory is close - Allah willing.
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TA:
So we can deduce from the words of Shaykh Usamah bin Laden
that he refers to the ordeal that Afghanistan is going
through right now, and the war that America is waging
with its allies, that it falls in the circle of a battle
between the Crusaders, or whom you call Crusaders, and
Islam. Alright, so how do you see an exit from this ordeal?
UBL:
We are in a strong and brutal battle, like I have mentioned
today, between us and the Jews, with Israel being the spearhead,
and whomever backs it from Zionists and Crusaders. So we
have not hesitated [lam natawarra`] in the killing
of the Jews who conquered the sanctuary of our Prophet (sallallahu
`alayhi wasallam). And the ones who kill our children
and women and brothers night and day, and whomever stands
in their trench, he only has himself to blame [falaa
yalumnna illa nafsihi].
So
if you meant how is the exit from the ordeal, then this
is in the hands of the others. Like we have been violated
[i`tidaa'], so our first duty is to remove this violation.
So whoever violated us, let him remove the violation. The
Jews, it appears to us and appears from the writing of the
Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) that we will
have to fight them under that name and on this land, in
this blessed land which has the sanctuary of our Prophet
(sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) [nasra].
And
the United States has engaged its people and it engaged
itself [aqhamat nafsaha] over and over for more than
53 years, and it was the one which recognized Israel, and
it was the one which supported it, and it was the one that
dispatched a general air bridge [jisran jawiyan `aam]
in 1393H (1973AD) during the days of Nixon, from America
to Tel Aviv, with weapons and aid and men, which has effected
the events of the battle, so how could we not fight it (America)?
It is a duty on every Muslim to fight it. So if it wants
to survive, we have said some simple words, but America
has terrorized and it has erased its values [amhat qiyamaha].
They
have made laughable claims. They said that there is ciphering
(i.e. hidden messages) in Usamah's letters intended
for terrorists. It is like we are living in the times of
pigeon carriers, without the existence of telephones, without
travelers, without Internet, without regular mail, without
faxes, without e-mail. So these are laughable matters. They
belittle people's intellects [yastakhiffun bi `uqul alnaas],
and these are just words.
We
swore that America will never dream of safety, until safety
becomes a reality for us living in Palestine [amrika
lan tahlama bil-amn, hataa na`ishuhu waaqi`an fee filistin].
That has exposed the American government, and that it lives
as an agent of Israel, and it puts Israel's needs on top
of the needs of its own people. So the case is easy, America
won't be able to leave this ordeal unless it leaves the
Arabian peninsula, and it stops its involvement in Palestine,
and in all the Islamic world. If we gave this equation (problem)
to any child in any American school, he will easily solve
it within second. But, according to Bush's actions, the
equation won't be solved unless the swords fall on their
heads, with the permission of Allah.
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TA:
Alright, Shaykh Usamah, do you have any message you want
to address to the viewers?
UBL:
I say: Concerning this ordeal and this battle between Islam
and Crusaders, I want to reiterate that we will continue
- with the permission of Allah - this jihaad and
the incitement of the nation [ummah] for it, until
we get it while blessing us [hataa nalqahu wa huwa raadin
`anna], and the war, like we have been promised, that
is going on between us and the Jews.
So
any nation that joins the Jewish trenches has only itself
to blame, and as Shaykh Sulayman Abu-Gaith has declared
in some his previous statements, concerning America and
Britain, so that should not be etched [fahaatha laysa
lil hafr, meaning, those sayings shouldn't be taken literally],
but indeed he gave some of other nations a chance to review
its calculations.
What
is Japan's concern? What is making Japan join this hard,
strong and ferocious war? It is a blatant violation of our
children in Palestine, and Japan didn't predict it will
be at war with us, so it should review where it stands.
What is the concern of Australia in the farthest south with
the case of those weak Afghans? And those weak in Palestine?
What is Germany's concern with this war?
Besides
disbelief and crusade, it is a war which is repeating (bringing
back) the Crusades, similarly to the previous wars.
Richard LionHeart, and Barbarossa from Germany, and Louis
from France... similarly is the case today, when they all
immediately went forward the day Bush lifted the cross.
The Crusader nations went forward. What is the concern of
the Arab nations in this Crusaders' War? They entered it
openly, without disguise, in broad daylight [safaaran,
jahaaran, nahaaran]. They have accepted to be ruled
by the cross.
Everyone
that supports Bush with one word, even without offering
facilitations and aid [tasheelaat], and whatever is so-called
facilitations, is only a great treachery. They change its
names by not calling it military aid. They join them in
killing our sons, and they tell us that it is not facilitation
and help?? How can we believe that this system (i.e.
the Arab governments) is collecting aid to help the
weak Afghans, while being the main reason in openly giving
the Haramain to the Americans and their allies? How do we
believe them while they are one of main reasons for the
death of more than 1 million children?
I say to those people who walk behind those rulers, don't
they have hearts? Don't they have faith [imaan]?
How can they declare faith [imaan] while they are
helping those fornicating disbelievers [al-kafara al-fajara,
fajar is the root of a 4-letter English word that starts
with F] against the children of Islam? They help them
against our children in Iraq and Palestine.
I
say to the ones who talk about the innocents in America,
they haven't tasted yet the heat of the loss of children,
and they haven't tasted the look on the faces of their children
is Palestine and others. With what right do our families
in Palestine get denied safety? The helicopters hunt them
while they are in their homes, while they are amongst their
women and children, they remove the bodies and wounded everyday.
So those fools [sufahaaa'] cry about the deaths of
Americans, and they don't cry about the deaths of our sons?
Don't they fear of receiving a similar punishment? And our
Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said in truth
[sahha]: "He who does not join the warlike expedition
(jihaad), or equip, or looks well after a warrior's
family when he is away, will be smitten by Allah with a
sudden calamity." [narrated by Abu Dawood (2/2497)]
So
let them fear Allah, and repent, and let them remove the
siege from those innocent children. So the Westerners are
free, Europe wants to enter the war, that is their prerogative,
but our duty is to fight whomever is in the trench of the
Jews. America and the American people are free, they have
entered the trench, and they will get what is coming to
them.
And
concerning us, we are in worship and in jihaad, it is said
in truth about our Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam):
"Verily a man's standing firm in the ranks for one
hour (in jihaad) in the Way of Allah, the Mighty
and Majestic, is more virtuous than 60 years of worship."
[Collected by al-Bayhaqee; Al-Albaanee called it saheeh
in Saheeh Jaami` As-Sagheer (#5151)] So what matter
is better than that? Under the pride of Allah (subhannahu
wa ta`aala), we ask the Almighty to accept from us and
from you, and concerning the Muslims, I tell them to trust
in the victory of Allah (subhannahu wa ta`aala),
and to answer the call of Allah (subhannahu wa ta`aala),
and the order of His Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam),
with jihaad against world disbelief [kufr al-`aalamin].
And I swear by Allah, happy are the ones who are martyred
today, happy are the ones who are honored to stand under
the banner of Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam),
under the banner of Islam, to fight the world Crusade. So
let every person amongst them come forward to fight those
Jews and Americans, and their killing is from the most important
duties and most pressing things, and let them remember the
teaching of the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam),
when he said to the child Ibn Abbaas (radiyallahu `anahum):
"Young man, I shall teach you some of words (of advice):
Be mindful of Allah, and Allah will protect you. Be mindful
of Allah, and you will find Him in front of you. If you
ask, ask of Allah; If you seek help, seek help of Allah.
Know that if the world were to gather together to benefit
you with anything, it would benefit you only with something
that Allah had already prescribed for you, and that if they
gather together to harm you with anything, they would harm
you only with something Allaah had already prescribed for
you. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried."
[narrated by Ahmad, at-Tirmidhi, and others] So don't
discuss the killing of Americans with anyone, trust in the
divine favor [baraka] of Allah, and remember your
appointment with Allah (subhannahu wa ta`aala) with the
presence of the Best of Prophets (sallallahu `alayhi
wasallam).
And
in conclusion, I would like to dedicate a call to the brothers
in Pakistan, to the position of the Pakistani government,
with a lot of sorrow. Pakistan is one of the biggest pillars
of this unlucky alliance, this Crusaders' Alliance. So the
movement of our brothers in Pakistan will lead to - with
the permission of Allah (subhannahu wa ta`aala) -
a big attack on this unlucky [mash'oom] Crusader
Alliance. So whoever has stood with America, by aiding them
with material or unmaterial things, that is disbelief [kufr]
and the biggest rejection of the creed and teachings of
Islam [millah]. And it is a duty on the brothers
in Pakistan to make a strong serious move, for the victory
of the religion of Allah (subhannahu wa ta`aala),
and the victory of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi
wasallam). And the Islam of today is calling them, WAA
ISLAMAA, WAA ISLAMAA, WAA ISLAMAA (Oh Islam! Oh Islam!
Oh Islam!)
Alaa
hal ballaght (Have you delivered the message)??
Allahuma fashhad (May Allah bear witness)!!
Alaaa hal ballaght?? Allahuma fashhad!! Alaaa
hal ballaght?? Allahuma fashhad!! *Crying*
Alaaa hal ballaght?? Allahuma fashhad!! Wassalaaam
`alaykum wa rahmatuallah (And May the Peace and mercy
of Allah be upon all the Muslims)...
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*Interview
Ends*
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